Listen: Michael Shellenberger (author: San Fran-sicko) on Joe Rogan

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Michael Shellenberger is a former progressive (now considers himself a liberal or moderate). Give him a listen. I think you’ll find him very informative and reasonable. HIs Book Apocalypse Never was a great takedown of the radical environmental agenda and his new book San Fran-sicko digs into the issues with Progressive run cities.

You can also find some interesting stuff on his substack: https://michaelshellenberger.substack.com/

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